Speakers: Speaker 5, Senator Dean Smith, Unknown Speaker
Social servicesGovernment spendingSpeaker 5Senator Dean SmithUnknown SpeakerSenate Economics Legislation Committee [Part 2]Supplementary Budget Estimates 2026–27Senate Economics Legislation Committee [Part 2], 28 Oct 20268783
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Senator Dean Smith
>> Just in the limited time and then I'llrefer to Senator Little. I do have somequestions of the ACNC. Um Miss Woodward,welcome. um how are cost of livingpressures manifesting themselves in umthe experience of charities and not forprofofits in Australia?
Speaker 5
>> Uh Senator, probably the best uhdocument to refer you to and I'm sureyou're aware of is the most recentedition of our annual Australiancharities report, the 12th edition thatwe released at the end of uh June. Andit does show that expenses grewsignificantly in fact outpaced revenuegrowth. So there was growth both inrevenue but a greater growth inexpenses. So it does affirm a lot ofwhat we see and we hear from the sectorand you've summarized there that thesector is under quite significantpressure in terms of many charitiesfinding that their uh expenses aregrowing and the demand for theirservices uh is also growing and in asector where it's not a matter of youcan just increase your price to meetgreater demand uh they are underpressure.
Senator Dean Smith
>> So how are they managing that pressure?
Speaker 5
Uh it it's a very broad sector and asyou know uh comprised of some very largeorganizations right down some to somevery micro organizations. Uh they rangeacross so many different activities. Sofor some uh they they will be able tocontinue in the normal way and andothers perhaps more at uh the front linewhere you see you know regular reportsfor example about food relief servicesum homelessness services it can be moredifficult for them to manage thatpressure uh and they continue to do Iguess the best they can with uh the
Senator Dean Smith
that report, you highlight the year inreview and you identify that 1,298charity registrations were revokedeither invol either voluntarily or dueto ACNC action. Of those 1,176that were voluntarily revoked, how manyof those do you think might be uh actingin response to growing cost of living orgrowing cost of doing charity business?
Speaker 5
uh we could get you a more detailedbreakdown. We do there's a voluntaryquestion. So when they uh apply it itnot all of them complete that question.We do I think summarize in the reportthe uh types of answers given. Sometimesit will be that the work that they weredoing a project has been completed.Sometimes it will be that they've mergedand sometimes it will be that they've
Senator Dean Smith
had to close. But the experience must bebecause this is what you say in youropening statement but also what you sayin your annual report that charitiesgenerated 239 billion in revenue asignificant 7 12% increase thatsurpassed growth in the broader economy.However uh growth in expenses rose evenfaster increasing by 8.6% to $231billion and if I recall correctly thathas been a common feature over a numberof years now. So would it be right toassume or expect uh that you know someof those 1298 charities that are nolonger registered with the ACNC might beclosing their doors because of cost ofliving and cost of doing charity
Speaker 5
business. Uh yes definitely some of themwould be closing uh under under thatpressure and you you see reports of thatthat trend has been fairly consistentalthough uh there was a year fairlyrecently when uh revenue did exceedexpense the growth in revenue did seegrowth in expenses but I think as ageneral comment that's that's fair. I