Senate Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee, , 2:24:18 to 3:06:26
Discussion covers infrastructure needs for the Henderson defense precinct, AUKUS task force coordination, and various road projects across Western Australia.
Topics: Infrastructure, National security, Electricity grid
Speakers: Matt O'Sullivan, Andrew Bourne, Jessica Hall, Simon Milnes, Jim Betts, Lachlan Wood
I've got my magnifying glass out and uh had a look at the spreadsheet. Thank you. I've got electronically as well, which is helpful. Um so I just want to go to the Nicholson Road Garden Street Do I need someone else at the table?
You've got us for today.
>> Yep. >> Excellent. Excellent.
>> So I uh so in in estimates in October, you told me that it was going to commence in mid 27 uh 2027, but I noticed now on the spreadsheet it's it's actually under
>> Uh let me just Yeah, I can clarify that for you, Senator. So in relation to what's under construction, there's some early works to do with I think the overpass. Just give me a moment. >> Yeah. to get that up. Um, so that's yeah, the pedestrian underpass, my apologies, um, was completed at the end of October last year. I was I think at the time I was referring to the more the main works that I think you were alluding to. So, >> but that is actually a part of the that is a actually a part of the project. >> Yeah. Um but I can tell you since our last conversation um there has been some movement in particular as you're aware um obviously it's quite a comp complex site in relation to utilities um and Western power um have made some progress in relation to its design works um they've issued uh including issued for construction design for Yale road and 25% design construction progress on the Wilford Road and Banister Road intersections and we're expecting this these design works and for the relocations to uh be underway early 2026 to to mid 2027. So >> So that >> there is progress in that space
>> and that's that was Western Power.
>> Yes, it was.
>> What about ATCO with the gas?
My notes seem to suggest that that's that seems to be >> ongoing. >> I might have to check.
>> It was ongoing last time.
>> It was ongoing, but I don't think that's that's that's on that's progressing well is what I is how I understand it from my conversations with WA. by finalizing this this this electricity piece obviously then we're looking then the main construction works will start.
Uh are you anticipating given that the project was first announced what about five years ago uh because it hadn't commenced costs have gone up uh and then that you know the budget has increased for it. Are you anticipating that if there are continued delays that there would be an increase in the cost of delivery of this project?
>> I think that will be we'll have to wait and find out. Um, in regards to that, what WA has indicated to us as part of this is that they have been working very very closely um with Western Power because they're very conscious as to a range of other um conflicting priorities that Western Power has as much of that they can do as much as possible at the same time to keep everything moving so that as soon as the Western Power issues are resolved that they can go out to construction straight away. So,
>> and that that's for the power. What what about the gas with that code? Is it is
>> We're we're on Exactly. So, we haven't had any indication that the gas is as um concerning as the electricity issues.
>> So, do I do I take it then that WA hasn't come forward with any representation for an increase in costs?
>> Not at this stage. No. And we're still aiming for construction to start. I think it's mid 2026.
>> Mr. Bourne. In October 25, the estimates indicated that they're looking It is Mr. Bin Salleh.
>> No, sorry. Yes.
>> The um water jugs covering your name. Um uh that indicated that looking to go to market for the main contract in 2026. is
sorry contracted between six and
>> um synchronize or sequence those things so they can >> move as quickly as possible into construction. I mean
>> excellent. I now want to go to the U Henderson defense precinct. Yep. >> Uh obviously there's a big big expenditure there and quite a concentrated area $12 billion on the Henderson precinct as part of as part of August 12 billion. Um that has quite significant ramifications for the the wider area. And so I've asked about this before I want to want to go to it again. I I I note that that some of the $12 billion uh was recently included in the midyear uh economic fiscal outlook and understand the department this department's not the lead agency that it's actually defense that is the the lead agency. However, I I realize that, you know, obviously defense don't build roads and and when it comes to sort of that interfacing with the rest of the network, uh you you presumably play the the key role along with the the respective state jurisdictional um Miss Hall you said last time that there they still have to work out how the precinct is going to interlink. >> So since December has the department had any level of discussion with defense on the kind of service delivery the road infrastructure that's necessary that supports a def defense precinct that will um that will need to be upgraded in around that that interfacing with the the rest of the network. Have you has any further discussion occurred yet?
>> Um so my understanding is that um uh uh an Orcus community task force has been established um in February to identify the local needs and opportunities um for transport, housing, health and community um assets in relation to orcas. Um the department itself is not a member of that though um I do sit on the broader IDC with defense and central agencies in regards to the consolidation of the Henderson defense precinct. Um uh the honorable meal King is a um local member and she is a representative on that community task force. Um the WA um Department of Transport I think is um there to support the local government uh the local road and transport needs. Are
you are you talking about Henderson or Garden Island >> HMA Sterling? >> Because when you when you mentioned the local member that's that Rockingham's in her electorate whereas
>> Yeah. So this is in regards to Sterling >> HMA Sterling.
>> I mean they're interrelated but I'm
actually I'm asking about the whole because we were talking about the whole all of the defense um issues. >> Um so in regards to the um uh actual review of the transport, I understand that there was a um uh WA undertook a um transport plan um for defense. Yeah,
there are a number of studies as you're probably well aware of Senator >> in relation to the Garden Island um
>> yeah area and I'll come to that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um in our space obviously there there's a it is a broader network piece. You've got potentially Westport there as >> so we are doing >> work we've got some investments in the area as you're aware on the Quinan upgrades but we've also got >> um a business case that we're looking at in relation to further enabling infrastructure for key roads in that area. Um and obviously we're in we work with the WA government um to work through those priorities in relation to that broader network piece. So there's lots of pieces to it.
so this the task force that's been established who who leads that then?
>> Defense.
>> Defense lead that. But you're not so you're not on it. I just find that So given the interfacing that's required with the broader network um why would you not be I can I can appreciate I suppose that you know within the precinct defense has primacy but once you get out of that and you're inter you know connecting onto roads five six kilometers away like how and the need to provide those interlinks how does um how do you not have a key
role? I'm I'm sure we have a really good relationship with defense and um as I said, we're on the IDC for Henderson as well. So, um if there are issues that need to come our way, I'm sure that they will bring it to our attention. I'm not concerned by not being on that task force. >> Um but in regards to the membership of
the task force, >> do you know who's on the task force?
been it may have even been put together by the WA government, that task force, too, Senator. Yeah.
that's uh that's okay. So and your understanding is well just sorry help me understand the the task force is looking at both Henderson and HMAS Sterling. >> Is that one task force covering both?
But my understanding is that it's looking at HMAS Sterling in particular. Uh but I'll come back to you on that. Um and then we're looking at uh then there is other work going on around Henderson.
>> Yeah. >> I mean I'm sure you can appreciate they're they're quite separate.
>> Yeah, that's exactly right.
water from each other but they're
>> Yeah. Yeah. So what I was trying to say by land task force to deal with um uh HMA Sterling and then I'm on the IDC for Henderson. That's what I was trying to explain but I'm not on the task force.
>> Okay.
>> And my understanding is Western Australia established that Orcus community task force center.
>> Okay. Um and in terms of just that broader you mentioned you know west connects and west ports and um
>> Westport sorry
>> Westport sorry um I misspoke uh you are involved with with those discussions though >> as it relates to the need to >> uh connect the freeway through and and have you seen a copy of the feasibility study that was developed uh that Main Roads WA undertook in relation to the precincts?
>> Is this is this for West Port?
>> No, sorry. Still on Still on Garden
Island? No, we we have not seen that.
>> Right. Okay.
>> I think it's only just >> been it's just been released and I think
>> it's been released but it's been disclosed and and the key recommendation is to not proceed with Garden Island Highway uh which would be the a major road that would connect Garden Island uh to to the broader network. Um locals and the and the local council are are quite exercised by that because they they want to know then okay what what what else is the solution because they're seeing significant increase in traffic. It's dangerous. The intersections in and around there are um they're not not even a roundabout. You know, you got sort of dog leg sort of intersections that people have to traverse. And early in the mornings in the Pow, it's it's particularly particularly dangerous. Um and locals are telling me that it's only a matter of time before someone's going to be seriously injured or killed. Um uh again, it's not on defense land. within City of Rockingham's uh jurisdiction. So um so my understanding
on that is I don't think it was a do nothing sort of >> response. I think that they do >> high level because I take it um just have regard that I haven't seen it but my understanding is they are looking at some targeted >> works and some around the network to try and improve those sorts of things that you're talking about. there may not be a full um delivery of a of a of a highway, but there is some options and I I mean we'll obviously work with the um the WA government in terms of any sort of uh future investment that they think is necessary there. Um but we'll be guided by what comes out of that.
>> So you're not expecting to see the preliminary uh feasibility study?
>> I beg you pardon?
>> You're not expecting like you're you're not anticipating to get it?
>> Uh no, I just haven't seen it yet. Um, we'll work with our defense colleagues and and u I'm sure they'll they'll brief us as they see fit.
>> Okay. Um, all right. Let's change gears. Uh, I want to ask about the um, so my info notes infrastructure investment is expected to moderate. Uh, so I want to go to sort of more broader macro level questions in relation to that. So expected to moderate as major projects are completed by states. Can you just explain what factors are contributing to the moderation over the Ford estimates?
>> That's broader treasury question. I
>> I think there's probably a range of um answers to that question. Um one is from our perspective um is that a number of the projects that are actually in our pipeline are actually coming to construction completion.
>> Yes.
>> Um so obviously Metroet would be an example of that in WA plus a number of other projects. Um we obviously have um a uh projects that are coming into the pipeline um but they're very much at early stage at this particular point of
So you planning for uh deliberately for that infrastructure delivery to be to moderate and by moderate does that mean contract or or reduce the scope or what can you explain what that means?
>> Yeah. So um so the government has maintained or increased aggregate infrastructure spending on land transport over the last few years. Um when Treasury make commentary on these things in documents around things like myo, they look at land transport but they also look at housing infrastru um housing construction, defense infrastructure, energy transition and so on. From our point of view we are maintaining um a consistent level of infrastructure spend but within individual jurisdictions as Miss Hull has explained um there are peaks and troughs. We are keen to make sure that the um forward programs are as carefully planned as they can be so that um industry is not surprised um as uh as to the content of future infrastructure programs. So we um under the new federal funding agreements that have been put in place are working with the states and territories for each of them to develop a 10-year infrastructure plan which will enable us to have a forward look. uh and um that means that as projects come off say in um New South Wales or in Victoria, we are already planning um the next generation of investments that will support housing supply and population growth, the resilience of our networks, connecting our primary producers to port. So um we don't um anticipate at this stage that there will be um any material reductions in the infrastructure program. It will vary from state to state but importantly that is always a matter for government to consider and as we go into budgets government has all its options available
>> Can you provide I'm happy to just get this on notice if um it probably be better if it's presented as a table unless it's unless you point to me it in the myo papers. Uh can the can you confirm the total Commonwealth infrastructure payments for each year of the forward estimates as updated in my my EO?
>> Where you now?
>> So there will be funding which is tied to particular projects and there will be funding which is held in general reserves to be allocated as projects come through to be um construction
>> So you'd like to know state by state?
>> Uh, Senator Simon Mills, assistant secretary. So, um, my info has, uh, the payments of the states for infrastructure services in the annex. 202526 the total IP funding is uh 13 uh 13.3
>> That's total national.
>> That's total. You're not by state.
>> Yeah.
>> By state. >> Cool. Okay. So New South Wales is uh 3.7 billion. Victoria is 3.8 billion. Queensland is 2.7 billion. WA is 1.9 billion. South Australia is 1.7 billion. Tasmania is uh 326 million. ACT is 293 million.
>> Sorry, just say that number again.
>> Uh so for ACT or Tasmania
>> that's ACT
>> 293 million and NT is 410 million.
>> That's for
>> 25 26.
>> And uh >> 26 27. Yeah, just give us next year as well, please.
>> Okay, so the total is 13.5 billion. So, New South Wales is 3.2 billion, Victoria is 4.7 billion, Queensland is 3.0 0 billion. WA is 1.5 billion. South Australia is 1.7 billion. Tasmania is 403 million. ACT is 246 million and NT is 372
>> Might as well keep going.
>> Keep going. >> Keep going forward.
>> Okay. 202728 the total is 13.3 billion New South Wales is 3.3 billion Victoria 3.4 4 billion Queensland 3.5 WA 1 billion South Australia 1.7 billion Tasmania 337 million ACT 119 million NT 48 million and the final year the fords at my info is 28 2028 29 so total of 13.4 4 billion New South Wales 3.1 billion Victoria 2.4 4 billion Queensland 4 billion WA 648 million South Australia 1.5 billion Tasmania 266 ACT 54 million and NT 517 million.
Great. Thanks for that. Can I go back to a project in WA uh the Tonkan Highway Thomas Road uh through to um Southwest Highway I think it is. Uh so when I when I saw an update in December on the Tonkan Highway project, uh I was told that told that the the first steering committee meeting for that project was occurring later that week. So I think we're meeting earlier in the week and there was a meeting on Friday the 4th of December. Just check that that meeting went ahead.
>> Yes, I think it did, Senator.
>> It did. And can you outline the outcomes of that meeting, please?
>> Uh I I can't I don't have that level of detail from that particular meeting. Um I can look to see if I can get some points for you and come back to you shortly if that's okay.
>> That would be helpful. Thank you. Uh cuz one of the questions I asked in December was what stages of the project are planned to be completed before the end of 2026. since I'm keen to understand if there's an update on that and did the steering committee shed any color on on this at all.
>> It it it did. We've got we do have an update on that, Senator. So, I think we mentioned that over the next 12 to 18 months um from the question or notice we provided you. There's a fair bit of work going on across both of those projects. But in terms of um works that have happened recently um there've been recent traffic switches and early works on the southwestern highway um and they've enabled construction to advance across multiple fronts including drainage pavement works and major earth works throughout December and January. >> So there are works happening there.
>> Yes. and and thank you for the answer to the question on notice 2458 where you do outline some of those expected works but what I don't have in there is the time frame
>> I still think they're looking at a um the late 2028 for completion or you looking for the over the year the time frame
>> yeah what's going to be done what's staged over the over that time frame
>> yeah um I I did not receive that level of detail from my colleagues in W I can I can certainly follow that up.
>> Thank you. That's fine. Uh I want to ask about the Freemantal traffic bridge. Uh quite a major project in WA. They've just recently closed the old um bridge just only about a week or so ago.
>> Swan River Bridge you're talking about, Senator.
>> Swan River Bridge. Correct. Um right there and connecting Freeman and North Freeman. Um so far it seems the traffic's handling the uh the major disruption which is I guess good news and good good planning involved in um communicating those changes to to locals. Um but uh I just want to understand in relation to the funding the government Australian government uh to that project in early 2020 2019 uh and the commitment was finalized with the state government as a 50/50 funding split for the a $230 million project that was increased to $430 million uh uh with 250 50 215 million coming from each government. So can you confirm that Comwalth has made a 50% contribution to the new free man traffic bridge?
>> Yes, Senator, I can confirm that.
>> Uh how does the Comwalth's percentage contribution to the free metal traffic bridge compare with the average contribution to bridges nationally?
I don't know if I can give you an answer that because they're all it can all be quite different depending on the structure the span the engineering um >> they're decision the location
>> because of the the split the 50/50 8020
>> they that can vary um I don't have that level of detail with me but um depends if they're sometimes if they're regional that could be 8020 50/50 I don't have an answer for you about whether that's a similar comparison across the board.
>> I would say that in um major
>> major cities
>> major cities that aren't um Hobart or Darwin, but in Adelaide or Melbourne or Sydney and Brisbane, I would say that the bridge would probably be 50/50. We'll take it on notice, but that's usually the case.
>> Thank you. Um, yeah, and I appreciate obviously in regional areas where it's a major transport route, you might pick up a bigger share.
>> Yeah.
>> But yes, just in terms of projects in that sort of precinct, >> major metropolitan area, >> that would be good. Um so on bridges in each comalth budget since 201920 uh what new bridge projects in Western Australia has the committed funding to and can the department table a schedule showing uh each of the projects.
>> We'll take that one on notice senator if you want to go back to 1920.
>> Yes. So if you can come back to me with the project name, location, the total estimated project costs and the time of budget approval, the total Commonwealth funding committed in that budget uh and the Commonwealth funding as a percentage of the total project cost for all bridges across uh across Western Australia.
>> Can I'm presuming you're meaning major projects. You don't mean projects under our bridges renewal or anything like that because Yeah. Thank you. That would just be
>> um Can I keep going? Chair.
>> Yes, mate.
>> Thanks, mate. >> We are mates actually.
>> I mean questioning,
>> but we're in estimates. So, uh can I go to uh the Great Central Road Outback Way in October estimates? uh you indicated that two out of three indigenous land agreements had been agreed to in principle. Has there been any progress with those agreements since then?
>> Uh I think the next stage for those senator is having them pass through parliament.
>> The state parliament.
>> Yeah, the state parliament. but in terms of I can give you a bit of
an update. So they have to so it have to >> cuz it's land's trust land. >> So what you're saying is it has to be excised out of that >> lands trust land so that an earlier can be established. Is that is my understanding of that correct?
>> It could uh I it could be I don't actually know that all the all theum ins and outs of that other than I do know
what has curious as to why it needs an act of parliament.
>> It does need an act of parliament. A WA parliament. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay, we can speculate about what that might be but okay. So, so is there any progress on that?
>> Um, so that they are moving through the processes in I understand um uh later in this year possibly around October there could be some of those could be um I'll use the term registered. I'm not sure if I'm quite right with the terminology but been going through that process. Um but notwithstanding that there's been a lot of work going on across the sections to similar to uh I guess Nicholson in terms of trying to sequence and get things um all the approvals done as much as possible to hit hit the ground running with um construction when those illers are actually approved. >> So um if you'd like me to run you through some of the things that have been that have been happening. Um, so across the corridor, heritage surveys in the I I'll break it up if I could to the west.
>> I was just talking the West Australian side at the moment.
>> Yes. This is all Western Australia. Um, the Yoka lands which is about 153 km. The heritage surveys have been complete. >> Um, there's review underway for additional identified heritage impacts. Um, baseline botanical surveys complete. Cultural heritage management plans been prepared and under negotiation. clearing permit approval has been received. Road design's completed. Um it's subject to a final review, but they've done a lot of work to get ready. >> Um in the Nangan Yaku section, um heritage survey has been complete. Um ethnographic surveys have been undertaken as well as archaeological surveys have been up been planned for March. Um baseline botanical surveys have been complete and road design has been complete. Again subject to a final review but um and in relation to the final section then the nan jara hopefully I pronounced that correctly.
>> It's a tricky name I think is how you say it >> but I probably bled it up. I mean messed it up too. So
>> um the ethographic surveys have been complete. Archaeology surveys are scheduled again in March. Baseline survey, botanical surveys have been carried out um from it from the west to the east will be carried out sorry in June this year and the road design is complete. Um so there's been a substantial amount of work that's been done to to be in preparation to hit hit the ground running once the um year registrations have taken place. We're still looking to have this work complete by 2032.
>> Okay. So, so two out of three were were agreed to in principle. Where's the third at?
>> Um, I think I mentioned that that's still is still part of that could be under negotiation still, Senator. Um, >> but I again I could probably get a little bit more detail.
>> Have you had any representations to you from WA that this might result in an increase in in funding required from the Commonwealth? Um so Mr. Bourne you indicated previously that the WA governor's transferred this project to the office of major transport infrastructure delivery. Um how often does your department meet with them and receive uh an update from
>> I know it's regularly but I'll I will get that. It could be monthly. I'll check. I'll just get that.
>> You can come back to me on that.
>> Yeah, I'll get that to I'll get that for
>> Very good. I actually drove it um last mid last year. Um it's a pretty uh pretty corrugated road. Um it'd be good to see it progress as as soon as we can to provide that third link into Western Australia. We've only got two sealed routes as you know into WA and uh with weather and other events um fires and other things uh they can be it can be cut off and so that third link will be essential not only for that um the the significant economic and tourism opportunities that will that it will open up will be great.
>> So Senator sorry I can give you an answer to that question. Um, we have a a regular steering committee meeting every three monthly, but we do month we have >> Sorry, we have a three monthly steering committee meeting, >> but we also have monthly reporting on this one.
Excellent. All right. Well, I'll get my state colleagues to ask uh about where the where that legislation's at. Um, understand it's been sitting there for quite some time. So, um, can I go to South Australia? Um, if I'm right, chair, keep going. Um, in December 25, the department advised that two of the three tunnel boring machines had arrived for the north south corridor, the Torren to Has the third one from the factory acceptance testing in China arrived since the December Senate estimates?
>> Uh, Senator Lachlan Wood, Assistant Secretary, um, the third tunnel boring machine is still undergoing factory
>> Okay. Uh, do we know when the acceptance testing will be completed?
>> Uh, I don't have a firm date for that, but we are expecting the tunnel boring, the third one to arrive shortly.
It is expected to be launched in 2026 too. >> In late 20 in late 2026.
>> Yeah. Sorry.
>> So it's it it is expected to be launched in late 2026.
>> Okay. Okay. Is that so is that done the acceptance testing? Is that done uh in Australia or is it
>> uh No, that's being undertaken in China.
>> Yeah. So before it gets correct. So yes. in the last update, 522 of the 524 properties of the land acquisition was in place. Have the remaining two been finalized yet?
>> Uh, one of them has, one of them has not yet.
>> So, there's one remaining.
>> Yeah. One one is remaining. Yes.
uh from the quan that I uh recently received back 2463. I understand that all the utility investigations along the alignment have now been completed. Has the South Australian government advised what the time frame will be to complete the required utility relocations?
>> Uh that will be done progressively as they're working through the project. They haven't given us a firm date for when that will be complete.
can I
>> road.
>> Yeah, sorry. I've uh should have held them together, but can I ask about the 2J road upgrade, the Dryandra to 2J project? Um, can you tell me what works are included in the 48.8 $8 million
Yes. Bear with me for a second, Senator. so, so you're referring to the 40 Yeah, the 48.8 million that was contributed as part of my EO. Um it it relates to um so um additional uh service relocation costs. So it was it was designed to fund um uh additional costing relating to the complex geotechnical requirements of the project, additional service relocation costs, updated design requirements and additional management cost for costs for environmental offsets. So there was a number of there were a number of matters involved in that cost pressure.
>> Okay.
>> That additional funding, sorry.
>> And can you confirm the split in funding between Commonwalth and state? I can
It's an 8020 project, Senator. 80.
>> Yeah.
>> Australia, that's right.
Uh given the corridor's documented safety uh history where there's 81 crashes along this corridor in the last 10 years, what safety outcomes are expected
I think it's designed to um get rid of some of the uh more dangerous curves in the road. um as well as some intersection improvements um to make them a little bit safer um and create some provision of passing lanes and some
Main roads had indicated the project was originally divided into sections with some already completed and the remaining works uh to be consolidated. Which works in this project are yet to be funded by
I might have to come back to you on that for that level of detail, Senator. Um I um the contractor for sections 102 is expected to mobilize to the site in midFebruary and that Western Power relocation construction will commence in February 2026 with completion expected in mid 2026. That's useful, but that's the level of detail I have at this
>> Yeah. So my I guess further to the question like are there is the commitment for funding only a few of those sections or is it the whole section that's that's deemed to be
Um I might have to come back to you on that to make sure I give you the correct answer. And since our last time at estimates too, I noticed that um so for the sections one and two including the new bridge over Jim Pingbrook that that was awarded uh on the 5th of January 2026. So there is um action happening in that space.
>> Sorry, you may have told me this might not have heard it. Did is is there a expected construction timeline? Is there a date for completion?
uh completion overall for the project my understanding it's mid 2027 is when it's looking to be complete
can I go to the west Australian rail track corporation feasibility study
These might be questions best directed towards ARTC later this afternoon or
this evening.
>> Um, so there's not much to report on this. It's an agreement still to be worked through between the WA government and the proponent and ARTC is waiting to do its due diligence.
>> Okay. So then can I just ask though was so there's $2.5 million allocated I believe it might have been an election uh so they will have full jurisdiction of it will they in terms of so the the the study's tied to the idea of bringing parts of the WA freight network back into public hands and looking at integration with the with ARTC's interstate network. Um, so can you just explain what role the Commonwealth and the West Australian government and ARTC will have how all that into play will will work?
>> I think it will depend on what um arrangement the WA government has with the proponent. So until that's actually sorted, I'm not sure we can actually comment because it will depend on what that arrangement is and that's a commercial arrangement.
>> Okay. All right. Yeah. Well, it's probably appropriate I ask the rest of those to um to ARTC. Happy to share the call.
>> Sorry, Senator. >> Senator, can I just can I just just touch on um the mentioning on the Nicholson Road the ATCO gas and telecommunications pieces, they are now complete in that space.
>> Good. Great. >> So that means it can progress to >> the next stage.
>> That's right. So when hopefully when that when Western Power relocations
>> I can hear the cheers. I can No, no. I'm hearing I'm hearing some cheers going on from all the way over there. >> The locals are very happy. >> Good.
You got the call.