Senator McDonald asks for details on the specific policy sections within the department dedicated to modeling the economic impacts of the climate transition.
Speakers: Susan McDonald, Hon Tim Ayres, Varun Ghosh, Mr Mike Kaiser, Unknown Speaker
DCCEEWPublic service staffingSusan McDonaldHon Tim AyresVarun GhoshMr Mike KaiserUnknown SpeakerSenate Environment and Communications Legislation CommitteeSupplementary Budget Estimates 2026–27Senate Environment and Communications Legislation Committee, 26 Oct 202618181
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Mr Mike Kaiser
>> Well, what well as I said when it comesto jobs by sector, the ABS has isresponsible for labor force statistics.
Susan McDonald
question. My question was how manydiscrete bits of the department ofenvironment is doing this work? So you
Mr Mike Kaiser
>> I think I've just said that we rely onthe ads.
Susan McDonald
>> No, I it was it was a different I'm I'mseeking to understand who is mapping theeconomic element of of structural changeto the economy. So we've identified thatthe jobs bit I'm going to be able to getfrom ABS. Great. I will go and ask a
Mr Mike Kaiser
>> so so ABS ABS does some of this work
Susan McDonald
>> you I'm trying to understand how thedepartment how you've broken it up inthe department what policy how manypolicy sections there are who aretracking the structural change to theeconomy whether it's tracking uhemissionsum or whether it's tracking umemployment we've understood has comefrom Abears But you're supporting thetransition of Australia's economy to netzero emissions by 2050. And I'm tryingto understand what effort and whatnumber of FTEEs and how many groupswithin the department would do that.
Hon Tim Ayres
>> I I guess I guess um uh number one uhthe ABS does that work. Number two,Treasury of course does economicanalysisuh for the government and that Treasurywork says that an orderly transitionsupports employment growing by 5.1million people by 2050.Now, of course, um we don't exist in aworld where um you know it's a relative
Susan McDonald
>> No, it's not data.
Hon Tim Ayres
>> It it is a relative question. It's notdata because it's a projection. So, it'snot data. It's a projection.
Susan McDonald
>> I want projections. I want
Hon Tim Ayres
There is $2 trillionof clean energy investment in the worldtoday. We want to capture the maximumamount here.
Varun Ghosh
to have to move the call on Minister ifthat was the conclusion of your answer.Um I'm conscious that we are running nowI think give or take 2 hours behindschedule. Uh, I'm going to move for thisoutcome to 10-minute blocks at thispoint and in an endeavor to move throughthe senators that have questions on thisarea and move on to our next outcome ornext agency as soon as possible. Senator